This stupid conversation wraps up between Ciara and Jesse.
His reasoning for objectifying her as property or a sexual conquest is that she was being very flirty, and he was confused.
Let’s review.
1. Last summer he laid on top of her in a floatie, and simulated sex with her. She laughed and just said “you’re nutty.” This was also when he was dating Lexi.
2. She’s crawling in his bed every weekend in the mornings.
3. She was in his room a few episodes ago showing him her bikinis and telling him to choose which to wear on their beach day. He comments he likes the skimpier one, and doesn’t think it will cover her tits. She laughs and said “let me worry about that.”
And this is the tip of the iceberg. Obviously I can’t list every single one of their flirty interactions, but they’re almost very overtly sexual.
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I’m not a guy, I don’t think like guys, but I’ve been around plenty of them. Between being married to a horrible one for way too many years, working with them, and dating POST-divorce, unlike my ex – who was dating way BEFORE we were divorced, (sorry I just didn’t know we were seeing other people…) I feel like I understand them, whether I want to or not.
Ciara’s giddiness at his flirtations, always reciprocating, never seeming offended at the non-stop sexual innuendo, of course he assumed she wanted to fool around.
This fucking pearl clutching when the guys express that they wanna bone her, is getting tiresome. She looks like a goddamned clown.
I’m not convinced they haven’t already had sex.
I don’t think she’s any kind of skank, and I do think she tries to be choosy as to who she’s intimate with, but the messages she’s sending would be confusing to a guy.
She has to see that.
I don’t see her walking around saying she wants to be in a relationship as she claims. I see her walking around half-naked and begging for any kind of attention. The other girls have great bodies and don’t constantly have everything on display. I’m just saying. Like put an entire top on, for once.
I think the way she dresses does not convey ‘I want to be taken seriously and taken out on nice places.’
Even what she wore on her date with West the first time they went out in the city, was one quarter of a top, super revealing, and not classy. At all. I remember thinking, that’s really what you came up with for a first date?
I’m being judgy, and I know it.
I knew she was going to let him off the hook, after she made him grovel for 3.5 seconds.
She even lets him hug her as she tells him she loves him.
He immediately checks in with West, who is chomping at the bit to get the skinny, and reassures him “everything is fine.”
Yes it is, because she wasn’t even THAT mad to begin with. She actually likes the attention. Which is fine, but say that. Don’t pretend to be so irate.
It’s funny how West acts like she’s so scary and tough when she’s really a huge pushover.
Whatever.
It’s funny how Bailey is excited she thinks she has this ‘in’ with Ben, then she does that dumb shit at dinner. I don’t think the way to a man’s heart is to accuse him of wanting to bang his friend’s wife, but that’s just me.
Do I sound really shallow if I say the biggest disappointment in Kyle and Amanda not working out is that they were such a cute and hot couple?
Bailey seems to understand the assignment. She’s keeping things moving. She started the Carl convo at dinner which lead to Ben telling Kyle he’s pissed that he didn’t invest in Soft Bar.
Kyle lists the excuses, that he just did’t have it.
Why is Loverboy doing so poorly? Does it just suck or what? I have to find it in my area and see for myself, although I’m no a fan of the canned seltzers.
Does he even market it, or advertise it? Never saw commercials. No wonder sales suck.
Amanda is so oblivious. As Kyle talks about the financial woes within his (their) business, she just eats, not listening, not interested.
If my husband said he cut a $500,000 check out of our own funds to pay people, I think I might stop eating and pay attention.
She questions him about investing in Soft Bar. He again explains to her like she’s five, he doesn’t have it.
Kyle seems annoyed Carl is bitching to people about it.
“Everyone say one nice thing about Amanda.”
I found it funny that Kyle didn’t say anything about her. Perhaps they cut it out. Things also got a little thrown off when Bailey interrupted Ben with how he wants to sleep with Amanda.
I’m not even sure what Kyle would have said. He doesn’t seem to like anything about her.
Ben starts off giving Amanda accolades on her ‘eyes and smile.’ Bailey interrupts with how he wants to sleep with her.
That little ‘joke’ doesn’t land. Ben is clearly flustered.
Everyone is stunned. Bailey looks pleased with herself. She showed up for work today. You can’t say she didn’t.
It is true, however I don’t think we were supposed to say the quiet part out loud. He’s clearly flustered, but I found it rather humorous how he goes on with what he was going to say.
“She lights up a room with her smile…”
You would think in light of that comment he would have toned it down somewhat. I think that’s an inappropriate thing to say in front of her husband. Not that either one of the them care. Of course Amanda loves it, and Kyle isn’t even jealous. At all.
Although the green-eyed monster surfaced when she was in the pool wearing her bra and underwear. So that’s confusing, but whatever. Their whole relationship, or lack thereof, is confusing at this point.
Ben feels weird and embarrassed, but she merely said what we were all thinking.
Not really sure if production had her say that, or if she really just thought it would be funny.
Kind of a ‘dry sense of humor’ type of joke would be a good way to describe it.
Bailey to me looks genuinely deer in headlights, as she realizes Ben is pissed and bitching about her. So maybe it WAS an organic scene.
So it just gets weirder.
Keep in mind the convo five minutes ago, (it was probably longer in real time, but still) Kyle said he had not two nickels to rub together, and couldn’t possibly invest in Soft Bar.
He proudly emerges with a small shopping bag holding a Cartier watch to present to Amanda.
So as you would probably guess, I have several comments on this.
Amanda later expresses she requested this gift.
1. A Cartier watch seems like kind of a shallow and showy item, that does not seem at all like Amanda. It seems like a Lindsay thing. This is the girl that wears plain white tee’s and wore the same jean shorts for three summers. There’s nothing special about this watch, other than the name.
2. This is a little crass, sorry not sorry, but why does she need a watch? She has no kids, no schedule, and nowhere to be at any certain time. Ever.
3. She picks the year Kyle’s business seems to be in official financial ruin to request a stupid $10,000 watch.
Literally have never seen this girl with a bigger smile on her face.
Keep in mind, these two like absolutely nothing about each other, and he picks now to impress her on her birthday.
Perhaps it was a last ditch effort to save the marriage type of gift?
I feel like he’s still not getting laid.
If I were to say something nice, he genuinely looks pleased that she’s happy.
If you were wondering why they stayed in, and had chefs prepare her birthday dinner, I saw something on social media that the bougie restaurants in The Hamptons aren’t allowing Bravo cameras in anymore. Probably because of the bad and/or trashy behavior that seems to always ensue.
I don’t think they’ve gone OUT to dinner at all this season.
Amanda calls her mom to show off her stupid $10,000 watch that I’m really wondering if she just didn’t ask for so she had a pricey item she could resell because she knew they were splitting up. You know I’m not sure if I know who actually initiated the separation? I feel like it was her.
Ben starts bitching to the guys about Bailey’s comment.
I’ve been hearing through the grapevine that he actually had a girlfriend the entire time, but hid that so he could get cast. That could be why he got all extra about this. Also he does/did like Amanda, and was mad it get outed.
Clearly there is some sexual tension going on.
His very serious comment came out funny to us Americans. He reassures the guys he “doesn’t want to fuck his mate’s misses.”
‘My misses’ must be an Australian thing. I think stupid Brock on VPR said that once.
Ben was being quite serious, and leaves the room when they’re all laughing at him, or with him.
He’s in his yap, acting so insane over the comment. Thou doth protest too much.
Is he really asking if it ‘look like that??’ Like he wants to sleep with her?
Yes, dude, it DOES.
What does he THINK it looks like? Bringing her coffee, meeting her at the edge of the pool, and wrapping her in a towel… ?? Talking incessantly about the skinny dipping??
He confronts Bailey, and I think most would probably agree, he’s a bit too harsh.
How does he not see he’s acting very guilty. All he literally had to do was say ‘yeah maybe I was being a little too flirty.’
So he barrels into her room, plops on her bed and is being pretty fucking condescending, considering he barely knows this girl.
Bailey tries to explain it was meant to be funny, and she thought it was a safe thing to joke about. She apologizes more than onc and explains she thought it was a running joke. He doesn’t seem to receive it.
If Kyle nor Amanda were pissed off, I don’t see what the big deal is, unless the rumor is true, that he had his own ‘misses’ at the time and was worried about what she would think.
They bicker more. Not sure why. She said she was sorry. He should have said ‘thank you’ and walked out the door.
I also hate how he has her cornered in her own room. This should have taken place in a neutral space.
I don’t know what the hell he wants from her at his point? Blood? Her firstborn? What more can she say?
They play some scenes which ARE questionable. Like, sorry he caters to her. He seemed more than happy to lift her over the bar in shorts and a bikini top. She seemed more than happy to have his hands on her bare body.
It’s safe to say he didn’t accept the three or four apologies that she issues, even though he said he did, as he storms out in a huff.
What was the point of that, really?
She cries and changes out of the dress she was going to wear out.
Glad her bestie is there for her.
Her point is valid that if one of the guys said that, such as Jessie, everyone would have laughed.
The difference is though, Jesse the fruit loop that he is, can read a room, and wouldn’t have made that comment at that time.
I do feel sad for her that she was in an abusive relationship with a narcissistic, waste of space barnyard heathen. that should’ve been drowned at birth. A man confronting her rather aggressively and speaking down to her, was triggering and extra upsetting.
I think Levi low-key hates that she’s stuck in the room with her, but it’s a really sweet gesture.
Ciara and Mia pretend to be concerned about Bailey and head to her room. Amanda follows, which I guess she has every right to be present, since this is about her.
Bailey apologizes to Amanda directly. Amanda doesn’t even care. Actually, she’s flattered.
OMG a hot guy wants to get with me, that’s not my husband, who I hate? (Except for tonight since he gave me a basic watch that set him back 10 grand.)
She says she has ‘thick skin.’ Okay Amanda you don’t need to have any kind of thick skin to not be mad right now.
She says she’s more concerned about Ben. He will be fine, I promise you. Why would she even say that if she didn’t have feelings for him?
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So after the whole Jesse debacle, where Ciara gave him the wrong impression by allowing him to use her as a sexual object, she now lets West literally squat on top of her.
She tries to defend her behavior in her yap, but she can’t.
She thinks him sitting on her is a sign that he ‘loves’ her, and wonders why suddenly now?
Seriously Ciara, Why NOW?
This girl is dumb, I’m sorry, but she’s fucking dumb.
She begs West to come get the buffalo chicken dip she made.
After he disrespected her by sitting on her, which she was flattered by, now she’s feeding him.
He says in his yap no, he doesn’t have crush on her. They just get really ‘friendly’ at night.
I have no words.
Kyle and Amanda canoodle. WHAT IS HAPPENING?? I guess it was the red Cartier box that did it. Never realized Amanda was that superficial and shallow. Also, she’s drunk, so there’s that.
What is Ciara’s attraction to his man? Is it the dad bod? They chat about their current status and how Ciara enjoys pretending like she hates him.
Bailey awakes and now decides she’s not sad anymore about Ben confronting her, now she’s mad.
I thought it was funny but not in a haha way when she tells Levi she doesn’t like to be in situations where “men that I’m not dating are yelling at me.”
Let’s think about that for a second. So it’s okay for a man that you ARE with, who supposedly loves you, to be yelling at you?
Spoken like a true abused woman. I catch dumb shit coming out of my mouth too like that sometimes. Living with emotional and verbal abuse was just like part of my day. Like any Tuesday. It’s fucking sick how you just accept it.
Ciara floats around the house, desperate for a boy to wake up and pay attention to her, so she can feel validated.
What did I say? She begs for West’s attention as they leave for a vineyard day. She’s got the girls out on display too. And what did I say about that? It’s so exhausting always being right.
Amanda is so very coincidentally seated next to Ben at the winery.
She makes a ‘joke’ about leaving Kyle since she got the watch.
Probably not actually a joke.
I feel like she said that for Ben’s benefit.
Ben confesses to Ciara, that he had a girlfriend, but panicked when she said that she loved him. He also knew he had this Summer House gig, so he kind of put her ‘on hold’ which didn’t go over well, as you can imagine.
I think this sounds like the same girl he’s with now. She’s on FaceBook chat undercover, acting a fool about people saying he was crushing on Amanda, and saying “he’s very into his girlfriend!!”
Ciara, whose never been in a real relationship, starts giving him advice.
Amanda and Ben exchange a hug, and talk about the Italy skinny-dipping.
Ciara lets Ben manhandle her now.
It’s hilarious to me how West suddenly decides that he’s into her again because Jesse expressed interest.
I get how that happens. It’s the tale as old as time. It’s just surprising to me he’s doing it, because it’s so fucking obvi.
He calls her ‘dreamy.’ Well you dropped her like a hot potato as soon as things got serious, so I doubt she was that damned dreamy.
Looks like Ciara is willing to accept the bare minimum. Again.
