I wish we’d stop with the ‘moving too fast’ thing in regards to Lindsay’s and Carl’s relationship. It was an average timeline, especially given the fact that they had already known each other for years. Not sure about the ‘best friends’ thing but I think Lindsay thought that was cute to say. And it is. Who doesn’t love a ‘When Harry Me Sally’ story?
The issue was never their timeline. And anything Betty Boop said had zero credibility last season. You couldn’t take her concerns seriously because we all knew she was blind with jealousy. Especially when you take into account she moved in with that Robert dude four months after they met. Four months.
As they both get asked the initial question as we’re really getting into it, as to where they thought they were at, going into filming in early July 2023, you can see how they were both in denial that ‘every couple getting married has problems, it’s perfectly normal. No guys. No, no and no. That’s lunacy. If every couple treated each other they way they treated each other, the human population would be extinct. Those types of fights are NOT normal. The types of fights that they were having often end up in someone dying. And I’m not exaggerating.
The flash on the ‘he was not sober…’ convo with Gabby, and her ‘why did you say were sober RIGHT NOW?’ which was all ridiculous, and the very first weekend they were in the house. There were no signs whatsoever that Carl had partaken in any mood-altering substances that day or evening.
To prove her condition is a mental sickness, if you were her, and there was so much skepticism surrounding your relationship, wouldn’t you really try to be on good behavior and show the world and your friends that you’re happy and your relationship is going well? That’s where Carl’s head was at.
I think as bad as she wanted that, she just could not do it, and could not stop herself. Sorry but being drunk isn’t an excuse. If she knows she gets extra abrasive and in her feelings about any minor discomfort when she’s drunk, then don’t get drunk. Like woman are you 38 or 20? Not to mention your fiance is a newly sober man. It’s so childish to get shitfaced around him.
Carl said he knew they ‘had some stuff’ but he didn’t think anyone was going to find out about it. Dude, have you not met this woman? Did he really think she was going to show any self-control or self-policing or give two fucks?
Lindsay goes into her diatribe of excuses, the first being her ‘anxiety’ being around the other girls. Riddle me this, people. Why is she anxious?? Why does she have strife with all of the girls in the house? Hmmm could it be herrrrrr? The rest of the girls all get along. Paige and Ciara don’t particularly like Danielle because nobody does, but they make it work. Ciara hates Gabby because she hates black people, but they make it work, they just ignore each other.
Why is Lindsay so different? Why do they all hate Lindsay? Because Lindsay is insufferable.
SO the very reason that she’s even ‘anxious’ to begin with, and felt the need to calm herself with excessive alcohol, is because of her personality disorder(s) and inability to play nice with others. No one else in the house was shitfaced. Maybe had a nice buzz on, but not shitfaced.
It proves how out of it she was, or just how fucking stupid she is, if she thought that the others gave one flying fuck she was riding with Carl in the Lyft, instead of the girls. Why wouldn’t you ride with your fiance? Why do we have to separate into boys’ and girls’ sections? Is this sixth grade? So stupid.
So naturally that sounds idiotic as you read this, and Carl was not having it and yes, dismissed the whole notion, was pissed off that she was lit just going into dinner, or wherever they were going, and told her to get it the hell together.
You don’t tell a fucking narc they’re wrong, and you don’t tell a fucking narc what the hell to do. So of course she flipped her lid and it just escalated from there.
This doesn’t take a masters in psychology to figure this shit out. I wish to hell there would have been a camera dude that rode along. Why the hell wouldn’t there have been? Come on Bravo. You had drunk Lindsay. Did you all just start your jobs yesterday? Like boot Jesse or West out if there wasn’t room and get this shit. You have one job!
At the very least why didn’t someone even hit record on their phone?
Kyle gets involved. He tells her that it was all in her head. He has every right to weigh in, he was there. All the guys do actually, but Kyle is the only one that has the balls to speak up.
And then Lindsay’s comment is so – I don’t even know the word I want. I’m tired of saying ‘ridiculous’ and ‘ludicrous.’ She starts whining “I’m allowed to feeeelll the way I want to feeelllll.”
Dumb thing to say. I mean, we already know this is how she feels. We heard it throughout the entire episode. No one is telling her she’s ‘not allowed’ to feel any type of way. She can feel any fucking way she wants to feel. We know she’s always miserable and pissed off.
It’s perfectly fine to tell someone, in your opinion, they blew something out of proportion. No one is telling her ‘how to feel.’ I think it’s pretty obvi we can’t tell someone how to feel. What is wrong with her? Does she hear herself?
It’s called an opinion. The whole entire weekend, and I’m sure into the following week ended up in sheer hell over Carl not swooning all over her because she was drunkenly paranoid about nothing. The girls didn’t give two fucks she rode with Carl to the stupid club or wherever. MY GOD. This reminds me of arguing with my ex. He too spazzes out over absolutely nothing, constantly. He’s someone else’s problem now and I can’t think of a better bitch for the job. She deserves it.
She can be on tantrum hissy pissy fit patrol, all day, every day for the rest of her fucking life.
“He was ignoring meeeeeeeee.” Yes Lindsay. He was ignoring you. I wonder why.
I liked when Kyle said: (and yes I know his relationship sucks ass too, but whatever, not the point right now) “Lindsay, I’m telling you right now, I’m not privy to all of your fights but if this is how they typically go down, I know why they spiral.”
Very well said. Very maturely and matter of factly said. Kudos to Kyle Cook.
Lindsay doesn’t like that too much, but tough titties.
She makes excuses that she was drinking and had emotions. Kyle said “yeah there’s a history of you drinking and getting irate.”
I wanna kiss Kyle right now. I don’t think Amanda would really care. He’s not wrong. So if there are Lindsay people reading this, I don’t know how you can argue that he is not on point.
And before you get all pissy that Kyle shouldn’t be speaking for Carl and calling Carl a pussy or whatever, Paige did plenty of speaking to West on Ciara’s behalf so suck it up. What’s good for the gander is good for the goose. He’s defending his friend. He was present when this went down. I believe if he thought Carl was in the wrong, he would say so.
Cocaine Carl. Did he know she said that prior to airing? No, he did not. Calling an only two year sober person that, is so fucked up. Her being drunk is NOT an excuse.
Carl very calmly goes into explaining to this fucking delusional tard how hurtful and dangerous that is. Lindsay looks like she knows it was so very fucked up and is slightly embarrassed. Slightly. Also pissed off that she’s cornered into owning it and having to express remorse. They don’t like that shit. At all.
She immediately admits (only because she has to) that it was wrong, but you know with these fuckers, there is always a ‘but’ IF you can manage to get an apology. Okay, I’m wrong, she says ‘NOW’ instead of ‘but.” She of course, then goes on to defend that it was NOT wrong for her to question his behavior being a little “aggressive and dismissive.” Notice she says ‘a little.’
Also, can you be both aggressive AND dismissive? I feel like no, they’re opposite but what do I know, other than everything. I’m surprised no one called that out, unless it got cut.
Okay so Lindsay logic, is that if you’re somehow simultaneously aggressive AND dismissive, that means you’re on coke? Wow.
Okay Looney Lindsay. Good thing we have you to explain things to us otherwise we may be confused.
Kyle tells her she’s delusional. Like he said, she needed to end the sentence with ‘I’m sorry.’ Not ‘I’m sorry’ and then excuses for her deplorable behavior.
Again – this: “You don’t get to own my emotions.” More Lindsay logic.
Since when is calling someone out on their bad behavior ‘owning their emotions’ or ‘telling them how to feel.’ What int the literal fuck is wrong with this bitch? I do not know how Carl remained sober through this, I just don’t.
Again Lindsay people – you are as delusional as she is.
She knows Kyle is right and she still has people defending her. That’s embarrassing.
You realize this bitch is laughing all the way to the bank?? Who in their right mind would hit her links to buy anything that she’s plugging? Who would do that?
Please don’t do that. I guess people that are blind, deaf and also have narcissistic personality disorder. I don’t know. I don’t get it. It would be a cold day in hell before I would want this fucking asshole representing my company or brand. Jesus. How desperate can you be?
Ciara chimes in commenting she thinks that was “relationship ending and knives in your back and turned.” Not a Nurse nor Model put on her thinking cap before she opened her mouth. Congrats.
Amanda tells her she was weaponizing his sobriety.
All valid points and Lindsay does not like hearing it. Who do they think they are calling her out on her behavior?
No one does this. Everyone is supposed to tiptoe around them and pretend they think they’re great. You’re supposed to just let these people reside in their own delusion, and it’s everyone else. In other words let them sit and fester in their own shit.
A lot of viewers seem to think that everyone was being too hard on her, Andy, Kyle and the girls but whatever. I disagree. She’s being held accountable. That’s what the hell it’s called. She can suck. It. Up.
Carl admits he knows he comes with baggage and I guess he’s referring to his sobriety journey and mourning the loss of his only sibling three years ago. It’s sad to see him beat himself up. Paige points out he shouldn’t be so hard on himself.
He has been on social media for several months reading comments and there are a lot of pro-Lindsay, anti-Carl viewers, so I do think that is affecting him.
A lot of people don’t understand NPD if they’ve never experienced it, and of course people that have it don’t know they have it, it’s part of the disorder, so I think that’s what contributes to so many on her side.
And look, I am not saying Carl is perfect or not annoying. He’s a guy, of course he’s a pain in the ass.
But imperfect and annoying sometimes is human. NPD’ers are subhuman. If that’s a little dramatic then so be it. What else do you call someone you cannot communicate with, you cannot reason with, and gets pleasure out of beating down their partner?? Subhuman.
Carl is taking responsibility, while Lindsay who is the actual problem makes excuses for her deplorable behavior. I think when that convo starts she sees that and feels like a dick.
It must be terrible to be like this. Deep down you do feel guilty and do know you’re the problem, but cannot take ownership or even try to get help or the tools to help yourself. They’re such unhappy people. Like don’t want you want to be happy? Do you want to keep trudging across the lot to bang the town ho for the REST OF YOUR LIFE?? What kind of life is that? That’s what you have to look forward to.
Okay here we go, viewer question if she regrets that shit she said about his sobriety and if she’s apologized because she sure didn’t on the show.
Her excuses?? Wait for them. First of all she says she “regrets not using more delicate words.” What the fuck??? Delicate words?
She had no reason to even be pissed or questioning his sobriety to begin with. Does she really not get that? And that’s all she can she can say? She should have used ‘more delicate words??’ I feel like I’m in the twilight zone. I feel bad for this new dude. I hope he was watching this.
And to answer the second part of the question, she has NOT apologized off camera since they haven’t spoken since the break-up, is her Lindsay logic. Is this woman delulu?? What about in the three fucking months after she said it, before they broke up?? And she couldn’t reach out to him to apologize after it aired?
THIS WOMAN IS AN ABSOLUTE TERROR.
Carl’s lack of job and ambition is on the table. Lindsay complains about the amount of time between when she convinced him to leave Loverboy and the start of filming, and all of the various ideas that he had, none of which she liked.
I think he thought he was going to be okay not having a job and living off of Bravo and endorsements. After all, she really wanted him to quit his job with no back-up plan. I feel like I would have thought the same thing.
Lindsay’s so mad when Carl shares that he has partners and is planning on opening a sober bar.
She’s getting so irritated when they all point out that Carl was bringing home close to the same that she was between Bravo and ad campaigns. If she could skate by doing the show and ‘influencing’ why can’t he?? I mean, he DID have a job Lindsay that ironically, you talked him into leaving because Kyle also made a snarky comment about him being coked out at work before he got clean and sober.
Which before you say it, the difference is that Kyle profusely apologized and recognized it as wrong. The context in which he said it, not that it makes it okay, is that he was sick of hearing all of Carl’s pissing and moaning about his job, when he has given him several concessions, including not dismissing him from his job for coming to work ‘coked out.’
She’s getting so mad, and I’m here for it.
Carl on visiting his mom and stepdad. He says they were actually worried prior to this visit. If you recall, there was referenced some ‘abusive’ situation that took place in May, and he went to Pittsburgh to get away from her for a few days. We never did get the deets on that. I wonder if he spilled it on a podcast or anything.
Are all of these extreme faces and gestures that Gabby is making because she knows Lindsay is crashing and burning or what??
Lindsay basically disses Lou and infers that there was a plan and set-up convo before the scene. The dude is a MINISTER. I mean this bitch is reaching. The guy has no skin in this game. Carl’s not even his kid. He was clearly speaking based on what he was hearing in that conversation and had been hearing over the past year. Not to mention it was his job to counsel couples that were getting married. Wow Lindsay, just wow. What a fucking twat.
She refers to him as manipulative, then says she barely knows the guy. Her face is just so hateful and evil in these scenes of her having to explain herself.
Andy asks Lindsay about Carl’s comments towards the end of the season, that he was having second thoughts, etc.
The infamous ‘blindsided’ discussion. Was she or wasn’t she?? Of course she was, she was in her delulu world that they were just having ‘normal fights and everyone fights.’
Carl maintains that he wasn’t one hundred percent sure he was dumping her in that scene. You know, to be honest, I don’t know that I believe him. But also to be honest, I don’t really care if he’s lying. It’s irrelevant. Lindsay would have done the same thing in a heartbeat. The got engaged on camera, then he can dump her ass on camera. They’re on a reality show, they’re paid a lot of damned money to be on a reality show, it should have been on camera. Carl at that point had HAD it. He was lying to himself that things would change with fake therapy.
Andy said what I said as Lindsay whines about the cameras. If ya got engaged on camera, then you can get unengaged on camera.
Per Andy, Producers claim they were not aware there was going to be a break-up when they were asked to film in their apartment that day. I’m not sure if I believe it, but again I don’t care if they’re lying and covering for Carl. Lindsay sucks. Who cares. Andy’s not having her bullshit either.
Andy points out, in defense of Carl, that they don’t decide what gets filmed. Production was merely following up with them at home after the horrible weekend in the Hamptons when the season ended. Seems fishy.
Word on the street is that Andy was kind of pissed at Lindsay for putting this out there that ‘Carl called production.’
Lindsay shares about her next ex-boyfriend that’s ‘ so amazing’ and they went on a few dates three years ago and rekindled in January.
Carl says he MISSES Lindsay? The universe did her a favor? What in the literal fuck. This bitch is fucking OUT TO LUNCH. Jesus.
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Okay the moment we’ve all been waiting for! The cutting of the mullet, and all I wanna say is a barber Andy Cohen is not.
I think he should’ve used a hair tie that wasn’t a scrunchie.
It kind of looks like it was cut by a lawn mower. Jesse Solomon tells him to never cut his daughter’s hair.
That’s that. No more mullet and no more Carl and Lindsay. I don’t know what Carl was even thinking to begin with.
